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You touched on valuation and you mentioned that the first acquisition you made was roughly two times revenue, back then. What metrics or specific KPIs do you look at? You mentioned churn and recurring revenue. Anything else that you look at or what type of hurdle rates do you have?

People first. I have met quite a few businesses, have gone with our CEO and met them, good businesses, very profitable. We have walked out of the meeting saying, that’s a great business. I could never work with them. That’s the end of it. So, people first, every time.

What exactly, about people, do you look for?

When you go to acquire a business, you’re on a fast-track path. We want to buy that business, integrate it into our business. We’re looking for people to stay, not leave, so we’re a buy and build. Our question to companies will be, look, how much will it cost us to invest in your business, to double the size of it and how long will it take? Can we double the size of your business in a year? Two years? We need to double the size of your business. You have access to all our sales staff. Our class acquisition strategy in Access was, find a business that’s very profitable and has got a poor sales team. The owner is probably sitting there with £300,000 to £400,000 in the bank and you’d say to them, if you had unlimited funds, where would you spend it? They will almost always say, I’d get a couple of really good sales people.

So you say, why don’t you do that? You’ve got £300,000 or £400,000 in the bank. The classic answer would be, because I’ve done it before and it doesn’t work. They’re not very good. When we bring a big sales team to the table, who really want to sell their product, it gives us every opportunity and it gives us the opportunity to construct a deal, which works for them. In that smaller sector, where the businesses are turning over £1 million to £3 million, they’re all struggling for sales resource; they always are.

So people first. You look at churn and the quality of the product. We would always want a demo of the product; we want to know what platform it was on and whether that platform was sustainable. At the time, there was a lot of .net stuff that was going out of favor. Silverlight was going to be withdrawn. In fact, we developed a tool to convert Silverlight products, because there were so many, there were good opportunities to buy them and we knew we could convert them into a modern tech, quickly.

We wanted people to stay, generally. One of the biggest mistakes we made, once, was letting a couple of people leave. They had nothing to do with the business, day to day, but they left and the business collapsed. It took us six months to sort it out. That was one of our failures.

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