Hartwig was the CEO of Nordzucker AG, the second largest sugar producer in Europe, between 2010-18. Nordzucker was founded in 1838, employs over 4,000 and has 18 manufacturing plants globally that produce over €1.3bn in revenue annually. Hartwig has spent over 30 years in commodities and started as a grain and feedstuff trader at Toepfer International.
I never did any price negotiation myself, with the large customers, simply because my people were in charge of that. I didn’t want to take them away from that. I also didn’t want to take the pleasant feeling away from them, when they nailed a contract with one of the large customers. But also, I met all the CEOs of these large customers, regularly, at various political things, in Berlin; talks with the government. So we were often meeting, not only the politicians, not only the Prime Ministers of Federal States, not only really high ranked politicians, but you would always meet them together with these CEOs of the big food manufacturers. You don’t want to talk with those guys about prices because you have other goals that you want to go for. For example, we have an issue here with import or export restrictions, whatever the case may be. This is what you want to talk with them about and not things such as prices.
Having said all that, there were two occasions where it interfered. On one occasion, one of the large customers jumped off and said, okay then, I will buy from somebody else. I called him up and said, look, I heard what happened. We talked, at length, over the phone and then I asked him, just for his permission, if my top man could call him the next day and sort things out. Then finally, he agreed and my guy called him up the next day and it was all sorted out and it ended up in a contract. I didn’t do any negotiation.
The second time, I did meet the CEO of a large food manufacturer in his office. I went all the way to his office, in order to somewhat, save the contract. It was really funny as I came to the reception and they let me wait there for 10 minutes. Then he came down himself, picked me up, showed me his office and we sat down in his office. I said, I don’t have an office bag with me; I don’t have a Samsonite with me, I have no calculator; I come empty handed, I said. I thought it was funny; he didn’t think it was very funny. But at the end of the day, we agreed, again, that the next day we would start renegotiation again and that’s what they did and, after seven days, it was all done. I never, ever negotiated a price in sugar, myself.
Because, first of all, he would know all the details much better than I would. People say sugar is a commodity, but it’s a product that has so many different quality aspects. There are freight issues. To move sugar from A to B is of such an importance, where very simple questions like, the customer wants to pick up the sugar at his discretion, up to 10 o’clock in the evening, but if we allow that, that would basically mean that I have to employ an extra shift for two people, so it will cost me extra money. All these calculations my people knew best. I didn’t know all those details, firstly.
Secondly, if I ever did finally negotiate such a contract, I run the risk that my top man, who I really respected, because he is a top man, that he would say, okay, fine. If he didn’t like that, then he can do it all on his own. You could terribly demotivate your own people. What you should do is – and obviously, it’s the way that we have done it – that you call the top guys and then I went straight back to him and said, look, I called him. This is what we discussed; please pick it all up tomorrow. Maybe there have been some misunderstandings and I have explained the situation. Then it was picked up again. In both cases, to get the contracts, it was their achievement, and not mine. It was theirs and that was important, that they could come back and say, finally, I nailed it. That I could help and assist him a little bit, fair enough. He would always recognize that and he would also confirm that, if ever asked. It was not about me; it was about him being able to say, look, I did it. That was important.
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Hartwig was the CEO of Nordzucker AG, the second largest sugar producer in Europe, between 2010-18. Nordzucker was founded in 1838, employs over 4,000 and has 18 manufacturing plants globally that produce over €1.3bn in revenue annually. Hartwig has spent over 30 years in commodities and started as a grain and feedstuff trader at Toepfer International.