Former Northwest Division Medical Director at Grifols and former Associate Corporate Medical Director at BPL Plasma
This executive is a license physician in the US. He has practiced medicine in Colorado since 2008, following his residency in family practice at Grant Medical Center in Columbus, Ohio. In his seven years at Grifols, he had oversight of Plasma Medical Operations in the NorthWest Division of the business. He also spent three years at BPL plasma culminating in a position as Associate Corporate Medical Director.Read moreView Profile Page
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Let's get back to culture. I've got a further sense of the [Grifols] family from the Biomat acquisition presentation, and this is a family business, in every sense of the term. There has been a changing of the guard in the last five years; you've got the younger gen now with older gen as co-CEOs, the elder statesmen Brother at chair, Albert is chief science officer. To their enduring credit, they're not milking high remuneration from this business; they’ve even cut the dividends after the Biomat deal to rapidly de-lever. Rather they seek to align themselves by their ownership of the business. How would you judge the current two generations' competence in managing this business to be adaptive, and therefore durable, given the competitive challenges out there from FcRn, recombinants and the other competitive challenges faced daily in the oligopoly?
Well, it is an oligopoly; it's a family-owned business. In some ways, I think that it's a duel-edged sword. When you have a family business, you're somewhat restricted by the types of things you can do. More importantly, you're restricted because you also have specific shareholders you're accountable to, not just a family. Although the family, more likely than not, owns a significant stake, shareholders need to be aware that the strategy may not always be aligned with their interests. Of course, everyone's interest is for growth. Still, maybe the family's business model is, let's leverage debt versus growing profit so that we can continue to grow in a specific strategy.
Recombinants are certainly important to revenue and profit generation, but plasma derivatives are always cheaper, they're easier to collect, and they're easier to make. Of course, there's more regulation when it comes to the production of recombinant products. Those products are not easy to make, they have to be made in a specific method and fashion, and that's probably why Grifols is a little bit hesitant to embrace some of those newer products because of that cost. Cost in investment and producing systems to manufacture such products.
When you’re talking about it being a family business, does the family control mean that they can still attract the best people to the organization to work around them?
They try their best to include the best people, but I think that when you're talking from a family perspective, you have to consider that they may have certain hand-picked individuals in mind. Those hand-picked individuals may not always have the specific qualifications that many shareholders may be looking for or feel that need to be addressed in areas where improvement is targeted; I think that it is somewhat of a limiting factor, and in some ways, to put it politely, you're wearing blinders. When you're wearing blinders, and you're perhaps showing some nepotism or favoritism in that regard, that's not going to allow you to grow to your maximum potential.
Given then that contributions from new products were more than 50% of revenue growth last year, which is impressive, and obviously plasma-derived products were down because of Covid, would you say that there’s a culture here that merges adaptability and innovation and that is aligned with the strategy of the business? This culture could help not only offset any headwinds from recombinants FcRn and otherwise, but even potentially morph the company to one offering multiple growing platforms?
I think that these are great ways to enhance a business. I think businesses are designed to embrace innovation, particularly when you're looking at the collection of plasma. Many human factors go into the collection: donor fees, donor experience, the quality of donor you're recruiting, whether the donor continues to come back, the fickleness of the donor. You also have to consider employees. Employees come and go, and they can significantly disrupt the operation of a center if multiple individuals are not aligned with the manager. If the manager is unable to manage his or her staff, people turn over. That turnover leads to more labor costs.
I think the industry is already very innovative and needs to be adaptive. When you look at the industry in general, not just one company, turnover is a significant factor at the plasma donation center level. That turnover can significantly disrupt operations where if you have a goal of collecting 70,000 liters a year, now maybe you can only collect 50,000. Multiply that by the number of centers that have this same problem, in other words, a cultural problem, now you're talking about missing major targets. This means missing the ability to meet the company's targeted demand negotiated with various patient advocacy groups, hospitals, and other fractionation plants.
To go back to your point on management utilization in-depth, the capital allocation strategy has been one of using cheap European debt markets, and they're now committed to rapid deleveraging using any means necessary, to quote Victor over the weekend. They've used this cheap European debt to consolidate the industry, though given Covid, a lot of the benefits of this consolidation are yet to be seen in the economic mix and the revenue numbers to flow through. Acquiring Biomat removes yet another competitor, meaning the yield on the entire industry is even more consolidated with less competition. If I'm not wrong, this will likely lead to higher prices on some of their products.
At the same time, new proteins from Biomat will also boost their plasma economics with additional revenues, entrenching their abilities to outgrow FcRn or other competitive challenges. I’m wondering if you have any other thoughts on the strategic merits of the Biomat deal, their capital allocation strategy to consolidate the industry at large, and the combination of more controlled capacity in concert with potentially higher prices over the next few years.
Inevitably, prices will go up because of the shortage of plasma derivatives. In terms of plasma-derived products, recombinants are already expensive to produce, as we talked about. You may consider that consolidation is not done yet. It's a constantly moving system of parts. We have not seen CSL and BioLife really move forward in the same pattern of an aggressive manner, in terms of trying to grow through acquisitions. When I say growing through acquisitions, I don't mean growing by purchasing other companies solely to increase collection of product or fractionation capacity, but also the number of donation centers. Certainly, that allows you to increase employees at each center provided they're meeting targeted growth strategies, and to target that improvement takes time. You also have to have a very good system to recruit people to do that type of work.
I think that CSL and BioLife have grown more organically, and I think that they may be beginning to look at other smaller companies to consolidate so that they can grow their revenue streams and profit line. CSL is double the size in terms of revenue and profit growth than Grifols. Grifols continues to grow, but they've leveraged quite a bit of debt. As you mentioned, it is cheaper in Europe, and that cheaper debt has allowed Grifols to take advantage of its ability, based in Barcelona, to leverage that debt.
I think that they'll continue to try to grow more on a worldly basis. I think they'll continue to try to grow in the United States, but I think they're looking at other foreign countries. For example, Grifols is also trying to grow in Egypt by negotiating with the government to operate plasma centers there. We have to keep in mind that they're going to continue to do this in China and perhaps even in other new growth markets, African countries particularly.
Turning to competing therapies, at a very high level, next-gen gene therapies are the hot ticket items in markets at the moment, but that said, the prices of Moderna and Illumina heartily reflect this enthusiasm and then some. On the flip side, granted it's a slightly different business mix, CSL is pricing a zero-risk of disruption from recombinants and FcRn while Grifols’ B-shares at the moment are almost priced for extinction. What I'm trying to do here is distinguish between narrative and fact in the gene and novel therapy and recombinant disruption debate, gauge the timing of potential disruption and determine the efficacy of Grifols and other incumbents’ competitive responses.
You've been very helpful and clear, painting some broad strokes here. Still, I'm wondering if you could provide a very high-level overview of the biological idiosyncrasies of recombinants, FcRn, and gene therapy products. How do they differ in molecular composition, how they work, their purpose, and most importantly, what’s the competitive risk they pose to each of Grifols’ key proteins? I understand I just asked you a large question here, so in the interest of time can we discuss each of Grifols’ key immunoglobulin proteins here and, if we have time, potentially turn to A1.
Virtually every plasma derivative to date has a commensurate recombinant protein. If it doesn't right now, it will. It's just a matter of time. We need to step back a little bit and think about something in the bigger picture of things. I don’t look at recombinants as taking share away from plasma derivatives; I see it as an additive value, a synergistic effect. You have to consider that these products are not necessarily a substitute for plasma collections. They're costly to make, and they have a different structure in terms of how they work. These proteins work biologically, they're made from a protein, and they're amplified in the lab. They're produced in a lab from a core protein that's collected from plasma. But it goes through such a complex manufacturing process that it's no longer considered human-derived, it's considered an artificially produced protein, but it starts with a human derivative.
So at the end of the day, you're talking about two products, a manufactured product, and a human derivative. They both work the same. Research studies have been done extensively on the comparisons, the efficacy, the safety, the tolerability before these drugs get FDA or EMA-approved. These drugs have the same efficacy; they work very well. There's no evidence to suggest that one is more superior than the other within each class. For example, with regard to gamma globulin or Gamimune, Gamunex, and Fc products that are coming on the market, these products are not any different. Why would you want to spend more money as a physician on a product that costs more money than the patient's insurance may cover? That's the other problem. You have to keep that in consideration.
In areas of the world, for example, where perhaps plasma derivatives have a shorter half-life or a shorter shelf life, the recombinants may be more useful. This is particularly true when you're talking about a third-world country where heat and other factors come into play that can denature the protein. It’s more stable, it’s more inert, it’s more flexible versus a human-derived product. You also have to keep that in mind.
You also keep in mind we're talking about a very, very small number of people who use these products. These are not products given to anybody and everybody. For example, I would say the incidence of hemophilia is one in 500 people, and very serious hemophilia may be one in 10,000 people who require medicine every day for life from the day of their diagnosis. You're talking about these people who require a large amount of product, and they are the bulk users of plasma derivatives and/or recombinants. I don't think that recombinants should be looked at as taking away share. They're additive, synergistic, and provide another additional revenue stream with additional stability in their shelf life.