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On that note, in terms of the SASE landscape, is there a vendor that you're most optimistic about today?

Today, it comes down to two primary vendors or the comprehensiveness of the SASE solution they have available. That would be Umbrella, which has addressed almost all the gaps we identified when I was at Twitter and Deloitte, and then Palo Alto. Zscaler has a fairly comprehensive solution, but there were a couple of things they lacked that I thought were extremely important.

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