Did you interact with Chris Barnes back then?

You've got two Delay Repay companies. One backs off the other. You've got the TTCS and you've got the smartREPAY system. 90% of all the railway companies use their Delay Repay. Then you get the transactional amount from that. If you then take the companies out there at the moment in the UK that use their service, you've got Transport for Wales. They're doing roughly 2 million tap-and-go transactions per year, I believe. You've got ScotRail, Merseyrail, the ITSO scheme, and then that's going EMV. You've got TFW, GWR, Greater Western Railway, GTR. iBlocks already had a lot of the market.

Because the fare system is complex, right?

And then you have to go through and you have to sort out. Now, our argument's always been, they've always said, oh, we need to do the fare structure, we need to change the tickets, we need to do this. Our argument has always been you don't need to change anything. All you need is a calculation engine through those to say this is the cheapest available fare at that time. And then cut down the tickets in the future.