Is Mueller's position still the same and perceived the same, or are all the brands on the same footing now?

To see how the market goes up and down. From that perspective, they hold a lot of power. From a manufacturing perspective, they are lagging a little bit. Their competitors like Cambridge-Lee have invested heavily in their manufacturing capabilities, making it more cost efficient to produce. Other players like Hailiang out of China came into the US and are now setting up plants in Texas. All of this has put Mueller in a defensive position to protect their market share. It is interesting to see how that has evolved over the past few years.